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people, expose them for the obstruction nifts that they are. use reconciliation. >> he seems like he's afraid to use it, bill. >> make them read the phone book and show the american people what it is that they are and do recess appointments and show guts and spine. that's what the american people want. and you know what else he can do? he can put dick durbin and chuck schumer. he can't can't deliver. >> bill, the democrats have to realize that ted kennedy is not in the house anymore. i mean -- >> yep. >> meaning -- he's in the senate obviously but he's not around anymore. he's not working in the house. in the house of cards of the democrats, which is falling. and it's -- and this lack of guts and lack of determination, look, what you see is what you get. i don't want to hear any more boxes stories about nevada. i want some friking health care
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in this country. i don't think they are being tough enough down the stretch. and this february 25th is going to be the calling card. you're either in or you're out. >> absolutely. and, again, you can't accept these 60 votes. it is undemocratic, it is unamerican. harry reid just let's mitch mcconnell get away with it. >> bill press, go shovel some snow. do you think the republicans are more concerned in your safety or scoring political points? hardball is next. snow 40, washington 0. let's play "hardball." good evening.
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i'm chris matthews in snowy washington. leading off tonight, frozen stiff. we have snow in washington. what is missing from this picture is a snowplow. how come the country's capital can't clear its streets? is this giant snow a metaphor for a government frozen in its tracks. funny words from ben gellis who compares republicans who threaten health care to dixiecrats of the past. when john boehner told president obama he should scrap plans for key efforts like health care. the president shot back you just want to kill all these bills. will tough talk get things done? three years ago today president obama announced his candidacy. dealing with change and improving america's image around the world. how is it going to? in the "politics fix." the anti-science, anti-climate change crowd is trying to make
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the case that the recent snowy weather proves that global warming isn't a fact. we'll get to that in the "sideshow" where it belongs. the blizzard on the east coast. winter of our discontent. washington is the city that commands the power of the world's greatest country and the resources of the planet but a city that can't plow its streets. they can't work because they can't get to work. why can't a government town do a government job? we people don't have snowplows. we can't control the streets. the government does. on monday morning after last week's snowfall the snow was still on the streets on north capitol street and union station in washington.
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it looked like siberia without the siberian discipline. john kennedy once said washington had the charm of the north and efficiency of the south. today we had the weather of buffalo and the snowplowing capability of miami. okay. i believe in government but where is government in this city of governance. it is a good question. why can't the people who run this city deal with weather? we went after president bush because he couldn't deal with katrina. harry thomas jr. and jerry phillips with wrc, in this very building. we share the very building with you. tom, this city is a government town. >> yes. >> it is the primary business of this government. you can't get through the streets today. >> 70% of the federal government
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work force is what is here in the city. and so i think we should have called for an emergency and our mayor should have asked the president to declare a fema emergency here. we have the criteria in place. we did in 2003. the magnitude of this storm dictates a federal emergency for a number of reasons. resources coming to the city. assist from the federal government we support. >> can i ask you a more basic question. first responder, they didn't respond. how come this weekend we didn't get the snow off the street for monday morning. >> we didn't do fundamental things. plowing the streets. we could have gotten more resources and more tools. many neighborhood streets have not been done. i think we were afraid because knowing the snow when the president first got here, wow, we are closing. we got afraid and underreacted. >> jerry, i'm going to have fun with this horror story. it was like being in siberia. i'm lucky i got a ride to work in an suv. they used to joke the only part
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of town that didn't get its streets repaired was the republican side. i was in georgetown, liberal as hell, the streets were crazy. four way traffic and nobody could move. no snowplowing. >> the only clear street that i saw over the past five days was in chevy chase, upper wisconsin avenue. >> i love in montgomery county. >> i don't know what they were doing but somehow they cleaned up -- >> i live across the boundary. they did a good job on our street. you cover a government town. a lot of people look to this government. let's look to this as a giant metaphor. the united states congress took the week off. they don't have anything to do? remember they used to say indispensable workers take the day off. dispensable workers take the day
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off. indispensable workers show off. the united states congress is dispensable. they took the week off. they are gone. >> it is a different washington, d.c. in emergencies than the old days in the '50s and '60s. harry you remember those days your dad did. >> he was a council member. >> you had emergency broadcast systems. you had emergency preparedness you don't have today. the whole problem today is planning. you know, the guys were out there working and some of them orr worked to get the plows through the streets and all. that is not the problem. the problem comes from basic planning. the fundamentals of basic planning. you know, chris and harry, i equate this snowfall this time to almost 9/11. the reason why is because the one big problem we have in this town, actually, two. one, communication, two, mobilization problem. whenever we have an emergency mobilization becomes the key barrier to so many people.
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i'm not talking about congress people. i'm not talking about the mayor. i'm talking about john q. public, mrs. jones on wheeler road or mr. smith on 14th street. they cannot get out. the bad problem here is after the first snowstorm all these predictions we are not planning for the unpredictable. >> okay. a lot of people watched d.c. and are watching pictures. it is a national television show. i don't usually do local politics until i see it match up. i'm a big bully for government. i think it works. in a democracy people like yourself get the job done. if they don't get the job done, what is the alternative. snow is predictable. we knew it was coming. it came last week. it came this week. over the weekend you say no planning. i see no planning. >> that is true. i would say this to you. when the first snowstorm hit my colleague called to close the schools. it took the public outcry to say
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why are you trying to open schools when our neighborhood people cannot get -- we are going to have our kids walking in the street. i looked at what kwame brown called for and said mr. mayor, this is a federal emergency. fema should be called in. what does that mean? he could have met with us as members and coordinated plans with the communities. jerry is right. not once as a member have i been called in. the council met yesterday. we had our administrative breakfast. the mayor should have coordinated. some of have prior experiences that understand these kind of emergencies you call in the big wigs. you call in the fed who we support with our functions. more importantly it helps our neighbors relief. we have salt dorm in neighborhoods. there is no coordinated plan to get the salt dorm. the neighbors see these trucks come by and say, wow, couldn't
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you at least hit my street. >> let me be mean. big cities where mayors lose their office. mayor lindsey may have gotten re-elected but people laughed at that guy because he was in florida during a snowstorm. >> when marion barry was mayor he was in california when it was snowing in washington. >> this time around we have a sophisticated mayor. everybody liked him for a while. it is time for a competition. i think somebody has to run this city needs better effort. i would like to see some action. >> i think you have competition, chris. i think the problem here is mayor fenty, people liked him, the arrogance of the fent administration played out in this snowstorm. people driving around in plows but don't see the shovels down.
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>> i worry about our politicians not responding to elections. not responding to weather. they have to get with it. this democracy will work when people who are in it work. the buildings, the monuments, the statues. they are not going to make the health care system work. it is live politicians who get elected to have to do it. good luck councilman. thank you for coming in. the naacp compares republicans to dixiecrats that filibustered civil rights bills. the naacp ben gellis is here. al sharpton is coming here. they are talking to us from across town because they can't get here because of the snow. [music playing]
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welcome back to "hardball." ncaa president ben gellis compared senate republicans to dixiecrats and time to hold them accountable for their obstructionist tactics after african-american leaders met with the president. he joins us with the reverend al sharpton who attended that white
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house meeting. house meeting. mr. gellis, your sense of your meeting today. what was your main point? what was the president's main response, sir? >> sure. we were there to talk about the places in this country people are hurting most. to hear from the president ways we can work together that people in all places, dayton, ohio, or the delta of mississippi see progress sooner rather than later.
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>> you've got 17.5% unemployment in the minority community. how did that happen? were people laid off? what was the phenomenon in the black community, if you will, where these jobs just disappeared? we are talking about 1/6 of the economy base disappearing here. >> you have to first fired, last hired trend in this country. really, we can't lose sight of the fact that many of these towns -- we have been in recession in many places for 40 years. if we are lucky we get back to where we were two, three years ago.
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is that philosophy lost in the democratic party? that old time religion of job creation? >> i think somewhat. i think it is time for many of us that are impacted disproportionately, impacted in a more negative way to come forward and say that we must be included in this conversation. the meeting with the president mr. jealous of naacp, the urban league and myself, dr. dorothy ike couldn't make it to the weather, was to say the civil rights community must be in the conversation like the president and the congress deals with labor leaders and business leaders. our communities have specific needs that need to be addressed. the president very wisely said i'm the president for everyone. i want everyone in the discussion. i think we've got to move forward to create jobs to close the gaps and make it possible for all americans. so i think today was about broadening the conversation to make sure everyone is included
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in the conversation and those that are most affected have an input into where we are going in terms of this job creation bill and this new economic strategy to get us out of the recession and regenerate the economy. >> let's go back to mr. jealous. do you have a jobs bill on the agenda to create "x" many jobs. 9.7% unemployment. we are lucky to get that below 9 this year. not lucky but better off. it is going to hang up there given current economic policy. what are we going to do to create the jobs? >> we have pushed for jobs just being funded by this government. the reality is the first thing we have to do is get a jobs bill through the senate. the senate republicans have held up 200 bills coming over from the house.
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one they are holding up right now is the jobs bill. we have to get that bill passed so we can focus on the next way to get jobs started but if that bill is allowed to be held up in the senate, the senate can keep holding up the jobs bill, it is pie in the sky to talk about more. >> it is pretty strong talk to talk as you have done about this dixie contract thing. i'm older than you, i'm older than you reverend sharpton. dixiecrats strategy was filibuster, strom thurman, the whole gang of them would talk against civil rights. they talk, talk, talk. are they playing that same game
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or threatening to play that game mr. jealous right now and do you think it has the same motive? >> we have 200 bills held up. 63 nominations held up. president bush had six held up. we see southern governors saying we are going to get out in front and stop a public option even when there is no more public option left in the bill. yes. it is the same tactics. sure, the motivation now is simply to make life -- who gets hurt now are working people of all races, struggling people of all races. what is behind it is grandstanding. what is behind it is politics and trying to win out the battle pucks. they know better. they know they were sent to washington to lead. they were sent to their state capitol to lead. there is no problem tougher than joblessness and health care right now. they need to get out of the way and become part of something to solve something for all of us. >> do we need majority rule, reverend? the majority of senators get something done? should we get rid of this super
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majority thing? >> absolutely. >> chris, i think it is important you understand the dixiecrat, the problem was race and civil rights. they are blocking everything. they are not just blocking civil rights legislation. they are blocking jobs, health care, things that hurt their own constituents. they are saying they are opposed to things they proposed. like pay as you go. they want to obstruct anything this president says they say no. this is absolutely ludicrous. we must move the government past a bunch of obstructionist who feel their job is to come to washington and say no and that is why they should win an election. >> why are they so fearless? why aren't they afraid of moderate republicans and independents saying stop being the brakes and the gas pedal? >> because there hasn't been a
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significant pushback. it is important civil rights and labor and others come together. the rabbit hunting is not fun when the rabbit has the gun. we have to start firing back. we have to keep running from them. we are the majority. the american people voted. why are we running from people that lost the election? >> that is a good question mr. jealous. can you respond to that? why do the democrats act like they are hesitant? they are polite when, in fact, they do have a majority and they do seem, it seems to me, occasionally chicken. >> you know, that's a question that you should ask them. they really need to act like what they are. which is the biggest majority that we've seen in the senate for any party in the past 30 years. they need to start taking bills to the reconciliation process and just getting it done. at the same time the moderates in the republican party need to stand up and get a backbone. the reality is civil rights has had a long and proud history in the republican party. the people who are part of that history need to step into the foreground and assert that
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because right now, you know, it is a crazy situation. >> anyway, reverend, even though elmer fudd had the gun, he couldn't get bugs bunny. the anti-science crowd and the republican party is saying snowstorms we are having is client's come in, they're anxious.
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back to "hardball." time for "the sideshow." you heard the expression the show must go on. here in washington it is the snow that must go on. the government stopped. the u.s. house of representatives gave itself a week long snow holiday. let's catch the comics now catching them. >> the city became -- came to the biggest stand still in
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washington, d.c. because of the snow. it is the biggest stand still since the democrats got the super majority. it is awful. >> it was so cold sarah palin had to cancel a speech because she didn't want to take her gloves off to read. it was that cold. >> the house just announced they are going to be closed all week. >> the house? because of the shelby thing? >> no. it is actually because of the snow. >> what are they, sixth graders? >> well -- nothing stays these legislatures from the swift completion from their appointed rounds except either sleet or snow or rain or gloom of night or sun or lack of sleep or they're old or "american idol" is on. >> that is great. just imagine if there was something important they had to do this week. i'm talking about the congress. hyena time. sean hannity, it is the most severe winter storm in years which would contradict al gore's global warming theory. senator demint saying it is going to keep snowing in d.c.
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until al gore cries uncle. mitch mcconnell when asked about passing climate change legislation "where is al gore now"? the average global temperature last year was the second highest on record. the past decade was the warmest ever. cold weather in one area over several days doesn't change the reality of what is happening to this planet. the only one we've got, by the way. it is isn't something to laugh about gentlemen unless you don't care what happens to this planet down the road. i suspect some of you folks sadly don't. now there is something funny here. here is republican senator mike enzi of wyoming yesterday trying
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unsuccessfully to pronounce the name of the ex-governor of illinois, rod blagojevich. >> finally there are concerns about mr. becker's role in the seui's general council and the involvement surrounding a.c.o.r.n. and former illinois governor rod blage -- blage -- blagojevich. >> i have been there on some other names. time for the number. it is a big one. since 1993 don't ask, don't tell, banning gay men and women from serving openly in the military, how many americans say that policy amounts to rank discrimination? wow. 66%. 2/3 of this country. 66% see don't ask, don't tell as outright discrimination.
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tonight's food for thought. big, positive number. anyway, we'll be right back. up next there is trouble ahead for president obama and the democrats. a new "washington post"/abc news poll. this is not good news for progressives and democrats. why have republicans closed the trust gap. national car rental knows i'm picky. so, at national, i go right past the counter... and you get to choose any car in the aisle. choose any car? you cannot be serious! okay. seriously, you choose. go national. go like a pro. you can label as "different." like janice. uh-huh. yeah. fashion deficient. and tom... copy incapable.
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snowfall records are dropping like flies across the northeast. baltimore, washington, and wilmington, delaware, have set new records with up to 72 inches of snow in some areas. less than an inch away from
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setting new records, transit lines setting down operations statewide about an hour ago. state officials in pennsylvania are blocking highway entrance ramps and the national guard is stocking humvees with food and blankets. amtrack says despite the know it will continue to operate trains along the northeast corridor. and so far airports in the new york area are operating with only limited delays but airlines are taking the initiatives and canceling flights in and out of the region. former congressman for texas charlie wilson died today at age 76. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." the headline in the "washington post"/abc poll. good news for republicans.
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bad news for the democrats. it reads on major issues republicans gain ground on president obama. what do both parties make about the shifting ground? steve mcmahon a democratic strategist, todd harris a republican strategist. if you are a democrat these are big, bad numbers. in february of this year, the democrats were trusted by 56% of the people. which party do you trust to do the better job coping the the main challenges. the white side is a year ago. the democrats were big on the trust issue, unemployment, health care, foreign policy. look at the numbers 43 to 37. the democrats only a little bit ahead. six points ahead. they were 26 points ahead. this is a problem and it is a good thing for you. this is a trick question. todd, i'm not going give you an
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easy one. what did republicans do to justify this enhanced trust? >> we were not barack obama, harry reid and nancy pelosi. >> you admit, purely nonactivity. >> the republicans in congress have put together substantive counter proposals to everything the white house has put out. i'm not so naive to suggest the bully pulpit to get the message out is as big as the president. i think what this represents is two things. the promise of obama was always about something that he was going to do. obama wasn't elected because of his experience. >> you mean the hopey, changey
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thing? i'm making fun of palin. >> i know you are. if you remove the level of trust from obama he has no record. they are not trusting him to solve problems in the future. that is a huge problem number one. number two, it represents the total collapse of the democrat's party of no strategy. if republicans are running at near margin of error parity as far as what party do you trust to tackle the major issues and the democrats are putting out proposals that have gotten the most attention and the public is saying i'm not quite sure what the republican proposal is but i like it better. >> steve, you were 26 points ahead a year ago. >> it was the act of governing. >> you wanted to govern? >> i know. he didn't choose a financial crisis. he didn't choose to own general motors. he could ignore them like the republicans would have done or do something about. he took his lumps. health care reform was defined better and more effectively by the republicans than by the democrats.
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>> you are saying it is a lousy time to govern? >> it is a very, very hard time to govern. incumbents getting beaten, republicans and democrats, mike bloomberg spent $100 million and won by five points against a guy he should have trounced. it is a very, very hard time to govern. there is news in this poll that isn't bad. >> want some worse numbers. you are behind in the generic numbers. i have a question for you, steve. we will talk a later after the show about your ideas. is it smart for your side who controls the floor in the senate and house of representatives. is it smart to dare the republicans to filibuster. okay. we are going to try to get a vote on health care, up-or-down vote, go ahead and filibuster. would that be a smart tactic? >> i think what the president is doing right now is smart. >> calling them to filibuster. >> not until you ask them to bring their ideas to the table,
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turn the cameras on and vet the ideas. >> that is two weeks from now. >> if the republicans want to filibuster because they don't have an alternative, that is a good strategy. >> would you like to filibuster? >> absolutely. >> why? every night on television. >> the compromise on health care with the senate and house bill that is how scott brown got elected. i'm going to be the 41st vote against health care. if every night on television republicans are on tv going back to their districts saying i'm fighting for you to kill this bill, that is a real inner. >> i don't want to give away your poll numbers but 63% of americans want democrats and
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republicans to keep tackles health care reform. >> that is a great number. we put it out last night. >> good. 58% think the republicans are not compromising enough. they have a net negative approval rating. >> a filibuster is when senators go up, they used to read the bible and telephone book. these guys and women would be go on the floor and read particular provisions in the democratic health bill that are a problem for the voters. would that be smart? >> if they are going to filibuster health care reform when most people want the democrats and republicans to work together, the president is turning the cameras on saying what are your ideas i think it is a good strategy. >> you think it is a good idea? you think it is a good idea. >> people want democrats and republicans to work together this health care bill is not an example. >> the president met with the republican leaders.
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somebody said the president said to john boehner you just want to kill all these bills. now, you say that is true. that is what you want to do, kill all obama's bills. you said it two minutes ago. >> read the whole quote. what the quote was specifically talking about was environmental legislation, cap-and-trade, the health care bill. absolutely. >> that's right. we're on the same page. is it smart for the public to know -- >> yeah. >> to know you want to kill the bills. >> here is why. there are two issues that matter more to the american people. the economy and jobs. if the republican party's messaging was nothing from now until the election other than we are 100% focused on the economy and creating jobs and everything
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this administration tries to do to take us off that focus cap-and-trade or huge government expansion of the health care industry, whatever it is we are going to block it. that is a winning message. >> by the way, why do you guys trash the stimulus bill as a job killing bill but every time stimulus money reaches the state your senators and congressmen take credit for it. >> and asking for the money. >> there is a huge difference saying we should never have passed the bill but once the money is appropriated they are going to fight to get the money back to the states. >> unemployment would be 25% today if we didn't pass that bill according to the cbo. >> have you hearded that? >> he's heard it. he doesn't believe it. >> the american people don't either. >> todd says americans should be about jobs and the economy. president obama and harry reid both put together something that cuts taxes, they do all things republicans are for except when proposed by a republican. >> that is a good point. if the president is for pay as you go, the fiscal responsibility commission. every time he is for something you say you are against it. is that part of your strategy? >> the president at the summit with house members last week stands up and says i love some of these ideas paul ryan put forth in his budget. >> he is changing the subject. jobs. economy.
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two bills. >> within 24 hours the entire dnc message machine is attacking the hell out of it. >> i love it when you debate. the truth is you believe it is smart republican strategy to be known as the no party. no to obama. >> no to bad policies. >> no to became? >> if obama putting something good forward we'll be for that? >> has he done it? >> i like what he is doing in afghanistan. >> because i don't. thank you steve mcmahon, thank you todd harris. we should have you guys come on one night and we will put
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together a health bill both sides could agree on. barack obama announced he is running for president exactly three years ago. boy, was that a cold day. boy, was that one cold day in springfield, illinois. very glamorous with that family. the old capitol where lincoln used to work. his law office is across the street. how has he measured up with the goals he set for himself? the "politics fix "is next. somewhere in america... there's a home by the sea powered by the wind on the plains. there's a hospital where technology has a healing touch. there's a factory giving old industries new life. and there's a train that got a whole city moving again. somewhere in america, the toughest questions are answered every day. because somewhere in america, more than sixty thousand people spend every day answering them. siemens. answers.
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compromised and so long as we are willing to listen to each are willing to listen to each other we can assume the best in people instead of the worst. >> that is a sad question to start with, ron reagan, how are we doing with getting along with the two parties and solving problems like snow removal. just kidding. >> that was the one promise he made in the election. there was no way he was going to be able to keep on his own. you need a dance partner for changing the system in washington. he doesn't have one on the other side of the aisle. the republicans as you have observed are more interested in breaking this president as jim demint put it so memorably than anything else. >> jonathan, is there anything else he could have gotten them into the tango? >> there is a belief that the gop had their chance a year ago actually when they were pushing through the stimulus. i think what happened was it became clear the republicans were not going to engage on the stimulus. even if you include tax cuts.
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it became clear to the white house that it was not necessarily worth trying to reach out to the gop. but i have to part ways with ron a little bit. i think the fact is both sides here are accountable. this is not new to president obama. this is a problem with washington. it's been going on now really, administration. >> i don't want to do this and talk about your dad, but there's an area that really makes sense to talk about. when your dad first came to washington, president reagan. he made friends. he came out with katherine graham of "the washington post." he met with a lot of people that would be on the other side. he made sure it wasn't personal. he tried to make friends with
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tip o'neill and succeeded, occasionally. the democratic leader. is that something obama could have done more of? the soft stuff. >> probably could have done a little more than that, but i don't think it would have done any good. as jonathan said, it became apparent early on that the republicans simply don't want to cooperate on anything. look, they've made a political calculation on health care and on everything else. we have to stop obama from getting anything done. they're seeing everything through a political lens. they don't want anything to happen if it's going to help him. they'll have this health care summit coming up on the 25th, but it's going to be largely theater, who gets the best of the theater, we'll have to see, but the republicans have already made the calculation that our victory has to be his loss. the only way they're going to vote for a health care bill if they can somehow spin it as their win and obama's loss, and i don't really see the white house or the democrats letting him do that. >> the problem is, the republicans now see a poll number, that we just announced tonight, "the washington post"/abc poll number that shows
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that they're within six points of matching the democrats on trust and getting problems solved. so their policy of, just say no, of hiding against any chance of a compromise seems to be bringing the public to trust them. so maybe their work -- if you look at this totally politically, their policy has achieved its goal, which is, they're better off than they were a year ago. >> well, i think if you talk to some folks in the party privately, they didn't see much in the way of political upside in working with the president, and especially given the ambitious agenda that he was pushing, there was clearly a political benefit there, to be seen as opposing issues like cap and trade, like this health care bill, and i think that right now, you see in the polls, them benefiting from that. but just real fast, chris, let's be fair, though, to some of the folks on capitol hill, the republicans on capitol hill. despite what president obama said during the course of the campaign, i don't think the congressional democrats had any interest in sort of doing the new politics, post-partisan thing. that was an obama thing. i don't think pelosi and reid
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signed off on that. >> let's get back to that question. we have two more minutes. i want to ask that quick. i think there's a real question here. did the democrats reach out? and did the republicans go with scorched earth from day one, no matter what the democrats had reached out for, they would have screwed them. he'll be back with ron reagan and jonathan martin for more of "the politics fix" in just a minute. low in fat and cholesterol, heart healthy levels of sodium, and taste you'll love. guy: mmmm! chef: we're kind of excited about it. announcer: campbell's healthy request. but it takes less than 15 seconds to tell you this. drivers who switched from geico to allstate... saved an average of $473 a year. time to switch to allstate. ♪
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we're back with ron reagan
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and jonathan martin. ron, i can't avoid this fight. your brother, michael,'s out there saying you're wrong. here he put out a press release. saying, i strongly disagree with my brother. "i strongly disagree with my brother." i never put out a press release on my brothers. "my brother's assertions that our father would not support the tea party movement in this country and sarah palin's activism, if he were alive today." what do you make of this? you see it as he would have been a little bit against this extreme, michael seams to love the extreme. well, that's not a surprise. your eyebrows went up a quarter inch on that one. go ahead. >> mike and i will just have to agree to disagree on this one. i usually preface my answer to the question that was asked there, and i've been asked it a number of times, that my father's not here to speak for himself, and i can't speak for him, really, and neither can my brother, but i was asked about the tea party movement, sarah palin, and i offered the opinion that i think while my father
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would be all happy about the tax cutting talk you hear at some of these tea party events, the vitriol directed at the white house, the hitler mustaches, he's a traitor, he's not a real american, he would find that pretty ugly. >> how about the birthers. jonathan martin, was ronald reagan a big believer in checking the birth certificate of his rivals? i don't remember him ever asking tip o'neill for his birth certificate. >> no, president reagan offered conservatism with a smile. that was his legacy. but this tea matter movement, most are average americans that are concerned about size of the federal government and have gotten involved in their communities. those kind of folks, former president reagan, would certainly offer a tip of the cap to. there is no questions, those who have gone further, the extremist language, some of the sort of angry signs, that was never what he was about politically. but the idea of citizens


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